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Welcome to the Authentic Pirate Living History Group, a small corner of Facebook for those who would like to "get it right" to hide from Hollywood and pop-culture "sexy" pirate girls. This is a place for discussion of the history and material culture of real, historical, pirates of the "Golden Age" (however you choose to define it, but for now let's say European/American pirates, 1690-1725 ish) and their portrayal at living history and educational events. Feel free to invite other like minded friends.

Anyone posting pictures of themselves in Jack Sparrow outfits or typing in "pyratese" will be mercilessly mocked and jeered. Please leave your bucket boots at the door.

If you have a specific question, it may already have been asked, and it's recommended that you have a quick browse through this document to see links to previous discussions. There is no harm, however in asking a question again, even if it's been answered before, because research here is ever ongoing, and it's likely that something new could be added.

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Wednesday July 26th, 2017 - 9:20 pm

What would be a period appropriate drinking vessel for golden age pirates / sailors ? ... See MoreSee Less

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I would say either a pewter tankard or leather tankard for beer, ale and cider. possibly even rum too. For wine and port, I think they had wine glasses

Ceramic mugs were also common.

Another friendly reminder, please cite an archaeological report from a period ship or location, a relevant period illustration, inventories, etc., rather than just offering opinions on questions here. We need to keep the focus on the "authentic" part of group's title. We all appreciate the effort to answer questions posed, but we also need to not to slip into an opinion forum. And yes, I do mean that to be friendly. Here is proof.😁😁

I believe there may be some drinking ceramics mentioned in this report from the QAR. dncr-qar.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/documents/files/QAR-R-08-03.pdf

Border ware recovered at Port Royal, Jamaica

Pewter recovered at Port Royal

Pewter, Port Royal

Thank you for the feedback

Late 17th century Dutch tavern.

Almost didn't post this as it's a painting from c. 1658. However, I found the tankards/ mugs the men are using to be too interesting to resist. They seem to be a ceramic material... Or I suppose they could just be leather

Was copper tankards used or was this later?

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Wednesday July 26th, 2017 - 6:44 pm

Got these patterns on the way in the mail, any one used them? Any pitfalls in using them, construction tips ect. ... See MoreSee Less

Got these patterns on the way in the mail, any one used them? Any pitfalls in using them, construction tips ect.

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The RH706, many (like MOST) folks I have spoken to, had challenges with the "late period" breeches. Stick to the early breeches, slop contract breeches, museum breeches, or trowsers. IF you really feel the need to do the late period breeches, it can be made to work, but DEFINITELY do a mockup or two (or three) in cheap fabric until you get the fitting correct.The Common Man/Sailor's Coat, worked great for me with no real modifications.The Quintfall Hill pattern is not one I have tried, but having looked it over, my guess is it should be good, although maybe be cautious and do mockups on the breeches if you try those one.On the whole, whether a pattern gets a good review or not, I really do strongly suggest doing a quick and cheap throwaway mock up in cheap fabric first. It's much easier to not get upset about poor fit of a cheap throwaway fitting garment than it is to find out after long hours of lovingly putting together a "good" garment in "good" fabric.

definitely agree with Michael, fitting breeches necessitates making a Muslin for fit

Thanks!

My mom has been a seamstress since she was eight years old and had trouble with the RH instructions. Once they're figured out they turned out fine. More than fine in fact but they are hard to decipher

i have used quite a few of the patterns and all have turned out fine (IMHO ), with the exception of the breeches .... had a heck of a time getting them to fit well .... ended up just using a pair of jeans that fit me for a rough pattern, added and subtracted via the pattern lines, and voila !! happy with the fit, happy with the look ....

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Wednesday July 26th, 2017 - 4:37 pm

There are just over five months until we tip the Scavenger and make camp on this deserted island off Florida's Gulf Coast. While there we'll be fishing, camping, drinking, and just having a great time.

This is a PRIVATE event. Though it is an open invite to those that do pirate living history, in order to attend you MUST meet the KIT STANDARDS. There is no wiggle room on this.

For those of you joining the group, upon doing so please check under the "files" section for the KIT STANDARDS. If your kit isn't up to par, you have five months to make adjustments! If you are looking for vendors, we also have a list of vendors.

If you are unsure about whether or not a piece of your kit works, feel free to contact us and ask! This is intended to be an immersion event, so cut corners won't do!
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GAME. ON. Had such a great time at the last one, and can't wait for the next.

Wednesday July 26th, 2017 - 4:28 pm

Sailor's/Rigging knife. Just picked up a new knife forged by Aron Scholl. I wanted a smaller, working knife. You can't really portray a sailor without a good belt knife and make any claim to authenticity, you know 😉

The knife is a sheepsfoot design, about 7 5/8" overall, 3/16' thick, walnut scales, has a really solid heft with a slightly forward balance. And seriously shaving sharp. I wanted him to leave the sheath unfinished so I could put my "tarred" finish on it. (I did try some 100+ year old tar dissolved in turpentine once....man, that was about as bad an idea as the time I made "whale oil" from lamp oil, olive oil, and fish oil....)

What is a correct period design? Well, there were some discussions about that on the old Piracy Pub and other sites, few artifacts actually survive, but I decided to go with this shape, having some legitimacy from what I was able to research. And honestly, of all things that are documentable, the personal knife was probably one of those things that was as variable as they come.

Now to find a good piece of cordage for the lanyard hole. Wouldn't want to drop this from the foretop on anyone standing below, even with that rounded point......
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Sailors/Rigging knife. Just picked up a new knife forged by Aron Scholl. I wanted a smaller, working knife. You cant really portray a sailor without a good belt knife and make any claim to authenticity, you know ;)The knife is a sheepsfoot design, about 7 5/8 overall, 3/16 thick, walnut scales, has a really solid heft with a slightly forward balance. And seriously shaving sharp. I wanted him to leave the sheath unfinished so I could put my tarred finish on it. (I did try some 100+ year old tar dissolved in turpentine once....man, that was about as bad an idea as the time I made whale oil from lamp oil, olive oil, and fish oil....)What is a correct period design? Well, there were some discussions about that on the old Piracy Pub and other sites, few artifacts actually survive, but I decided to go with this shape, having some legitimacy from what I was able to research. And honestly, of all things that are documentable, the personal knife was probably one of those things that was as variable as they come.Now to find a good piece of cordage for the lanyard hole. Wouldnt want to drop this from the foretop on anyone standing below, even with that rounded point......

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Anyone else have their period style belt knife they wish to show off? I'm curious to see what folks are using.

I've been looking for a good rigging knife. Any chance you can put me in touch with Aron and PM me the price of this knife if you don't mind. Thanks! Mister Archer, Events Master,Blackbeard's Crew - Sends

Black handled one is a repro of a late 17th century French knife, boxwood handle knife based on a Dutch mid-to-late 17th century samples. Both made by Ken Hamilton (based in Maine)

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Wednesday July 26th, 2017 - 6:07 am

I'd like to talk a little bit about music from this era.

Over the last couple months I have bought and listened to at least 3 albums that all contain music by a man called John Playford who lived in the late 1600's. All the music in these albums is from around 1651-1720...

Now, when most people think about "pirate music" they either think of epic sea shanties or jaunty, lively celtic style pieces with a band playing a flute, lute, accordian( no idea why. It's achronistic!) and of course a violin.

Now, one of these songs, titled The Queen's Jig happens to be a very lively song. Certainly a very happy tune. See, this tune and others were included in a book first published in 1651 by John Playford titled "The English Dancing Master."

So it's feesable that these songs certainly would've lasted, just like people nowadays love old classic music from the 50's and 60's... Besides, the book was re-published in different editions until 1720 I think was the last one.

So, because these were songs intended to be danced to, do you think they could've been played as music in taverns? Music for the masses...

So..., what sort of music would pirates and their ilk listen/ have access to? Well, we know that they certainly had access to some sort of music - as Bartholomew Roberts' own code said that the musicians were not obliged to play on Sundays.

Most of the "pop music" of the day would most likely have been songs that were printed onto Broadside songsheets that could be bought in port, the market or the town square. (A lot of this info can be found on Wikipedia. But I know how some people feel about it, so I'll try not to say too much on this topic)

As for taverns, the punters probably would've started to sing together once they had drunken enough ale or rum! Taverns had to pay for musicians to play and couldnt always afford them so live music was luxary, clearly....

As for Genres of music. See, I cant imagine commoners enjoying the stuff of Handel. I don't know why, I just associate his work and other classical music with upper-class people. I suppose maybe because you had to pay to listen to his work performed live as of course music wasnt avaible on iPod's back then.. I'm really not sure if it worked like this before or not. Although I did read on the BBC that there were some concerts avalible. There was one violinist, who's name escapes me, who charged people money to come to his house and request songs to be played. If anyone has further knowledge on this, I insist you share it. It will be much appreciated.


As someone who loves music and is very passionate about this era, it's something I've always wanted to look further into for about 5 years now! Sorry for the long post!
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I do appreciate the in site you offer. My group does maritime from late 16th century to early 19th century. Like any other maritime crew we like to sing and the people always expect it because we care sailors. I believe your theory about music being sung during one time period also sung in a later time period. "The Oldies" so to speak. As you state what was some of that music during the earlier periods. We try to sing the songs that are fitting to the period you mention, but everyone wants to hear the sea shanties that came much later.From my understanding the songs out side of classical music were mostly songs about war. The kind of songs that are depressing and make you want to cut your wrists open. One of our guys has a song book he put together of a bunch of those songs from the ECW and 30 year war period. Not the rolling sea shanties one would hope to hear.BTW yes singing is usually preceded by singing. the only problem I have with that is. When I drink I tend to forget the words to all the songs I know.Anyway I will have to look up John Playford. Thanks for the topic I will be following to see what more is offered.

I think you bring up a very good point. Many of the songs I hear "pirate" groups sing are from the 1760s to 1820s and many are whaling chanteys.

Can you post pictures of the albums?

John Playford's books of music were indeed familiar pop tunes of the whole broad 17th into 18th centuries. First intended for dancing, but many had lyrics set to them. For some excellent recordings, check for a group called the Broadside Band.

The original Playford collected tunes rather than wrote them, and his book continued to be published by a succession of others who collected more tunes and added them. Parson's Farewell, which featured often as background music in the first series of Black Sails, is a Playford tune.Music in taverns was a much more organic affair than one might imagine. Rather than hiring in a band like pubs do today, many taverns had instruments that were available for the use of the patrons. It is said that the characteristic hook on the back of a cittern was there so it could be hung up in a tavern or barber'sWe simply don't know what kind of music pirates preferred, though there are lots of references to music generally in piratical sources. The only tune that I can find evidence for on a near-pirate ship is "Hey Boys Up Go We," which was played by musicians on Woodes Rogers' privateering voyage - it's in Playford (or my book linked above).

I believe that, just like today, each individual would have their own taste...line of work wouldn't matter. Ask a group of construction workers, or a group of accountants, or a group of doctors what their favorite music is, and you would get a different answer from each person. For today you'd get rock, indie, ska, rap, classical, club, electronic, etc....throw into that the fact that the sailors/pirate crews came from different areas, or even different countries, and you would see a wide range of preferences. You would probably have different groups form within crews based on nationality or region. The groups from Cork, Dover, Cardiff, Bristol, Marseille, Calais,Rotterdam would all have their own music they preferred.

Excellent info!

Playford is still played for English Country Dance music so it certainly would have been familiar to English pirates in the GAoC.

As it happens I was out tonight and played two Playford tunes.

Jude O'Cleary

A major source of income for printers was broadsides - songs to be sung to tunes that were generally known or just to whatever tune happened to fit. Here's a relevant one thought to be written and printed by Ben Franklin. monologues.co.uk/Celebrity/Downfall_of_Piracy.htm

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Wednesday July 26th, 2017 - 1:42 am

Question, what did sailors from the golden age use to carry shot, patches and needed flintlock tools ashore while hunting?
A shot bag of some sort or the equivalent of a possibles type bag? Pictures anyone?
I know powder horns where carried.
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Probably waistbelt-mounted leather cartridge boxes of various configurations, with military style paper cartridges, predominated.

Most likely shot bags/ cartridge boxes. Mostly slung over the shoulder or, like Brian said, mounted on a waist belt. I'll post some photos from a website that manufactures copies of these items

This is an early Grenadier's bag. Used to carry grenades. Now, as for cartridges, I know at some point in the 1700's these were used, but maybe later as I've seen a lot of Revolutionary War reenactors use bags similar to this:

A waistmounted cartridge box

This is a powder bottle. I have one of these in brown. Simply a small leather bottle stitched around the sides with a wooden spout so you can pour powder into your flintlocks

A friendly reminder to limit responses to documented GAOP examples.

Most folks use the a cartridge based off of one recovered from the Phipps expedition; there is supposed to be one from the Whydah that is damn near identical, but I have seen the archeological sketch of the Phipps find, but can't remember if I saw the Whydah one or not. So that is something you will want to investigate.I seem to recall something about a ship's carpenter making cartridge boxes from a ruined cannon carriage, but I couldn't tell you if it was GAoP or not, or a pirate cruise or not. It was on the Pirate Brethren forum if you want to check it out for yourself.

I don't think the Whydah box has an "official" diagram. But many saw the remnants of the box in the touring exhibit for Nat Geo's "The Real Pirates", or have seen the B&W photos of the remnants in the associated book.There is one notable difference between the Phipps and Whydah shot boxes though, the Whydah has many apparently "extra" slats of wood within it. Differing folks have interpretted those slats as being attached to the "lid" for stiffening, and if memory serves, one person interpretted as being "dividers" for within the box itself.Recently, I've been focused on French based carriages, and besides the two images of shot bags, there seems to be a similar leather shot bag in Neumann's "Battle WEapons of the American Revolution" ascribed to the 1690s. I've found some textual references to fabric bags (canvas?), but so far only secondary/tertiary references on these ones, so I am still going through the process of digging around to find some primary source references to back that up. (although at this point, I've seen it in enough tertiary sources, I am willing to give the notion some merit)

Here is my hunting and scavenging ashore look. I use the Whydah cartridge box. I have, however, wondered how often the military style shoulder rigs were used in the 1715 to 1725 period.

All sea references I've found for the period, including those of buccaneers and boucaniers, use paper cartridges, even for pistols, and did not patch the ball. "Cartouche boxes" appear to have been in routine use, holding up to thirty-six cartridges although the Whydah and Phipps boxes are smaller. There's also a second Phipps box that's flat, appears not to have a wooden block, holds maybe a dozen cartridges. By the first quarter of the eighteenth century, if not earlier, some boxes used at sea were using drilled wooden blocks. Haven't yet seen one in use at sea prior to circa 1700 but there may have been. I've seen the Whyday box up close, it's very similar to the Phipps box except that the wooden liner in the Phipps box appears to have been stitched to the leather, but not in the case of the Whydah box. Musket tools were probably worn around the neck; there are two eyewitness images, a buccaneer/flibustier and boucanier respectively, with musket tools around the neck, and also a small horn each (buccaneer has it in a pocket, boucanier hanging from his belt), mostly for re-priming given the small size. As for other necessaries, where they were carried is unknown. I generally wouldn't advise carrying iron tools next to cartridges in a box. Neither the Whydah nor Phipps boxes have separate compartments. Of the dozen or so eyewitness images of boucaniers and flibustiers, all or nearly all are wearing cartouche boxes on the belt, usually on the left side.

Left front side, that is.

How common were leather belts in the early part of the period? And when you say "shot" do you mean shot pellets or round ball? I'd suspect that for poor common sailors most gear would be carried in canvas shoulder bags, shot in much smaller ones with a tie top.So many of the engravings and etchings from the early GAOP period show European sailors either without belts or with rope or fabric belts. So as mentioned above, it seems likely that at least some would go hunting with tools hung from the neck and shot & powder in simple canvas bags / haversacks / snapsacks.www.britishmuseum.org/collectionimages/AN00914/AN00914438_001_l.jpg

It's a period of change for carriage even for regular troops....The shoulder 'cartridge pouch' didn't become standard til the end of the century...

My brother made me a copy of the Wydah cartridge box, just got it the other day, I'm still debating whether to dye it with the iron oxide/ vinegar solution. It makes a great dark brown to black colour or let it get dirty and age naturally. 😀 Was there any period waterproofing application documented?

We do know that buccaneers waved their cartouche boxes to help keep cartridges dry. I've had mine in downpours with cartridges inside, it's important to have the leather well waxed and the seams sealed as best as possible.

waxed...

I would also use several coats of linseed on the wooden liner. There are a variety of period concoctions for "waxing" leather but tallow, common aboard ship, will also work. A combination of beeswax, turpentine as a solvent, and something else (linseed oil?) has worked well for me, don't have my notes handy to be certain. Lasts forever in a tightly sealed jar.

Thanks!

While experimenting with period (or period inspired) recipes is great (I highly recommend it), for those who prefer convenience, Fiebing's Aussie Leather Conditioner contains beeswax, and works wonderfully...Again, this recommendation is not a historical one, but one of modern convenience.

Also, both the covers on the Whydah and Phipps boxes have side panels, so to speak, to keep water out. Not all boxes had them, but I highly recommend them. They make a huge difference in rain &c.

What about charger bandolier like this? Any evidence of these for sailors?

Jean l'Marquis de Eglise

Yes.

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Tuesday July 25th, 2017 - 10:39 am

I'm looking for info on the pirates that operated mostly along the Florida and Carolina coasts in smaller boats. I can't even recall the proper term. Can anyone help? ... See MoreSee Less

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No, but I would be interested, too. I just read a book on Florida pirates, from "back in the day" to modern times....no mention...

There weren't any pirates who did. Now, it is thought some of the scoutboats were crewed by ex-pirates and sailors. But that is a different animal than pirates operating along the coast in smaller piraguas (and were a branch of the militia). You have the 1680s pirate raids against St. Augustine and the missions, then you have Teach/Vane/Bonnet operating off the Carolina's in 1718, but otherwise there's very little actual pirate activity along the southeast coast here. Now, official privateers there is a lot more and over a longer period of time, but like the scoutboatmen, that is a similar yet totally different animal.

Not to detract from this.... But when I first saw this, I thought of the "Wrecker" crews of the Civil War era. Is perhaps that is what is being asked about here?

There were tons of pirates operating off the Carolinas, though mostly in sloops or larger vessels. But anything smaller than a sloop, like a piragua? John Vidal, for one.

Adam Cripps, I thought I recalled a conversation some years back about this. Of course, I could be mistaken. Maybe I'm confusing ships/boats. Not small boas, but smaller ships? Crew of a 5 or 10? It was something they did as the opportunity came about, not as way of life.

Adam Cripps has this pretty correct. For the Carolinas, there are two cases in addition to what Cripps mentioned in regards to pirate crews that engaged in activity for any length of time in tbe 1720s. Both were short. One started much farther north and ended down in Charleston - he got a very brief chapter in GHP - and the other lasted for only a couple weeks and never got out of the backwaters of NC. The impact of piracy on the Carolinas was quite small according to a study published by Dr. Swanson of ECU. I can't give more details here on my phone right now, will have to wait a couple days.

Ok, perhaps I was thinking of another period, closer to the Rev War. Thanks, all.

In the New England area, we had Spider Catchers. A boat, paint black or dar inside and out, w/8-10 sweeps and a swivel or small truck mounted cannon.

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Monday July 24th, 2017 - 7:08 pm

Does anyone have any verifiable sources for Adam Baldridge, and his career leading up to St. Mary's? I am interested in learning more about the early days of the Red Sea Men, and why he thought as early as 1685 that his base off Madagascar was a sound business plan.

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Good bet might be to read up on Frederick Philipse, who was Baldridge's New York backer (and supplier, and fence). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Philipse

Sunday July 23rd, 2017 - 9:25 pm

Pirate captains Lobdin and Dedwanies?

Back to Cordingly. He name-drops two pirates I can't find mention of. January 1718, a 10 gun 90 man brigantine under "Lobdin" attacks a ship near Barbados.

There's also a line about a November 1725 attack on the sloop Dove out of Boston, by 22 pirates in a periagua led by "St. Jago Dedwanies".

In both cases Google just leads back to Cordingly. Anybody know anything about either of these two?
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Sunday July 23rd, 2017 - 11:54 am

Thank you for the add . I will use your site to further my knowledge of Pirate History . Well appreciated ! ... See MoreSee Less

Sunday July 23rd, 2017 - 8:16 am

Thank you for adding me to the group. Looking forward to adding to my knowledge of this time period. ... See MoreSee Less

Saturday July 22nd, 2017 - 10:59 pm

My brother made me a copy of the Wydah cartridge box for my birthday, been wanting one for a while 😀 ... See MoreSee Less

My brother made me a copy of the Wydah cartridge box for my birthday, been wanting one for a while 😀

Saturday July 22nd, 2017 - 1:28 pm

Black skull on white flag?

Re-reading Cordingly. He quotes a journal entry ("handwritten in the margin of a copy of Holy Living and Holy Dying") which describes a negative/reversed jolly roger, black on white. Anybody know which pirate he's referring to?
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Liking to follow. Ed Fox, might know.

Alas, there's no indication about the owner of that particular flag. There are other recorded 'negative' flags, but none of them are ascribed to a particular pirate. It has been suggested that they may have been French pirates, but that appears to be based largely on the fact that the French naval ensign was a plain white flag (yes, really!) so would have been available for easy conversion, and that theory doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.

Friday July 21st, 2017 - 2:38 am

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Depending on the period and location of birth an earring/pierced ear was a sign of slavery or indentured servitude. I have also read that gold earrings were worn as a charm against sea sickness.

Various myths associated with pirates and earrings were discussed here recently.https://www.facebook.com/groups/455778251185874/search/?query=earrings

I think Ed Fox summed it up the best: "There's no real evidence that pirates wore earrings at all. They weren't fashionable on land or at sea in the 'golden age.' There is some evidence of Dutch sailors wearing them, but there were very few Dutch pirates so it's unlikely the fashion was widespread. Later in the 18th century there's an anecdote about a captain being so surprised to see a sailor with an earring that he asked the sailor if he was a woman. So, since the evidence suggests that pirates didn't really wear them at all, any discussion about why they wore them is bound to be fruitless."

So then the real question now becomes when did this idea of pirates and earrings become a contemporary portrayal of pirate fashion

I've heard it was to mark a sailors first crossing of the equator

Isn't there a tradition that Scott fisherman would wear a gold earring and if they drowned and washed up onshore the earring would pay for their burial?

One myth is to balance the head for those who can't shoot straight. It "improved the shot" lol

Thinking on it, I think I remember reading about the earring/burial myth from 'Ripley's Believe it or Not...' in the Sunday comics as a kid in the 1970's. If you can't trust Robert Ripley, who can you trust?

Kit Madden

There is a good bit detailing this in the book Under The Black Flag.

So where did the earring thing come from? And what painting was it that showed a man with a hook hand in an infirmary?

Yes, but I seem to remember Fox or someone else mentioning that Barrie might have gotten the idea to do it from a painting. Where did Pyle get the idea to use an earring in the first place?

There are a couple of early 19th century etchings of Greenwich Pensioners with peg-legs, eye-patches, and hooks - basically a caricature of the wounded sailor. There's one by George Cruickshank and another, I think, by Rowlandson.

Yes! That's exactly what I wasn't talking about. Thank you

Years ago I was watching a programme about dustmen, it was one if those documentaries that are popular, a sort if fly on the wall. Part of it was some cleaners who had picked up the head of some high ranking legal person ( I can't remember exactly at the moment) who had died in the 17/18 century. The local Neds had broken into a crypt and taken the head and used it to scare girls (it was mummified) and kick about. This was in Edinburgh. The head had gold earings and the cleaners and people who put it back and closed the crypt up commented that the Ned's hadn't taken them.

OOP for GAoP but1755 4th in Hogarth's Election series The Polling has an multiple amputee (leg and possibly both hands) with a hook and a peg leg but he looks to be wearing an infantry/Chelsea red coat with blue cuffs.

To those discussing the "use earrings to pay for funeral" aspect of the myth, as I think I pointed out the last time this was discussed, that didn't appear to be a concern based on the ship's books and probates from the GAOP era. If there were expenses to your burial, they were deducted from your wages or the value of your "estate" (which could just be your possessions).

Here's a 1660's portrait of William Shakespeare, earrings were emblematic of poets at the time.

I don't have any quotes but I've read that the use of a gold wire coiled through a small hole in the ear lobe as a talisman

Sailors have long been associated with exotic things like gold earrings and tattoos. Probably a lot of this is taking 19th century sailors, particularly whalers and projecting their traits back to the GAoP. In addition to that, surviving articles called for extra payouts for loss of an eye or limb to Pyle showed pirates missing these parts.

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Thursday July 20th, 2017 - 5:46 pm

Hello, I've not much resource and i dont get much time to research just hoping someone already may have done the work 😀

If its 1716 and its the Caribbean what are the regiments/militia in the islands and what type of uniforms of the government forces?

I've looked a bit on the internet (maybe reliable)

British forces in Jamaica-

Col. Handasyd's Regiment (afterwards 22nd Foot)
Independent Companies.

Militia.

Marine detachments on board ship.

Navel uniform not regulated (?)

I want to do the same for Spanish and French too

Help!
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I believe Michael S Bagley is the one that has collected the most on that subject here.

Militias were the most common. Militias wore civilian clothing, and often had a hodge-podge of arms, clothes, equipment.Second most common, the independent companies. These are what I have focused my research on, Red coat, blue cuffs/linings/ Red Breeches.... Waistcoat is debatable, I have done mine in the same blue as the cuffs/linings, but I could see a strong argument for a red waistcoat (and myself starting to lean that way).Marines. No, just no. That is a later period thing that people want to prescribe to the golden age because of films. Yes marines exist as a soldier type during the golden age, but were not deployed to the Caribbean (or with a VERY FEW exceptions to the new world at all).Navel uniforms - again, it's a later period thing. The Admiralty Slop contracts are discussed here often, it is not a uniform, but a selection of clothes often made available to sailors... but the sailors were not obligated to buy/wear them (although it is imagined that they more often than not did buy/wear them).French, white/grey/natural wool with royal blue cuffs/linings were the most common types of units, although some regiments had red or other colours instead of royal blue. I haven;t studied French units as much, so please take this assertion with that in mind.Spanish, there was a recent discussion about those... I've done no research/study to speak of, but it is looking like Spanish uniforms would be similar to French, the differences would be in the accessories (hat, weapons, carriages such as belts/baldrics or whatever they wore etc).Hopefully this is enough of an answer.... I can't really go more in depth, as I'm not a big fan of writing novels to answer questions, and without some further input from you as to why you're asking.... I wouldn;t know what to go further in depth with anyways.

I've looked at Spanish succession kit and that helps I think. Would they wear the tricorn or the weird cap thing like bishops mitre

Would militia differentiate themselves from other civilians in any way? Sash or something

Good informations in here! Is there a map or a list what kind of unit where based on what Island/Region?

I've a friend or two in a Catalan unit (Spanish Succession era), I'll ask what they know! Will share it across

Good stuff Michael S Bagley. You ever thought about putting together a kind of beginner's bibliography for those interested in colonial land forces and their equipment/clothing? Would be a great addition to this group's file section?

While not a bad idea, the effort to reward ratio on that isn't within my threshold. There was a time I might have considered doing it... But I'm feeling very curmudgeonly recently. Perhaps some day it could happen.

I've just asked my Catalan friend about a Historian in his group so fingered crossed.

Pinched one of his pictures, he won't mind but don't share or publish! Catalan unit war if Spanish Succession, they lost a couple of years before 1716 so defunct but still nice outfits

This is the information I got back:

Well, we in Catalonia have militia that was paid for by the professional guilds, they wore full uniforms, actually better than the regular army ones. But we also had typical militia, who wore civilian clothes and poor quality weapons. we had some independent companies in our army, Well, we in Catalonia have militia that was paid for by the professional guilds, they wore full uniforms, actually better than the regular army ones. But we also had typical militia, who wore civilian clothes and poor quality weapons. we had some independent companies in our army, mostly light mountain infantry and cavalry... they wore whatever clothes their commander could afford to buy them I don't know about marines, we had some ships in our war fleet, but no official marines corps at all Spanish uniforms were usually adapted from French the French army was supposed to be the best of Europe (and that means the world) at the time so the Spanish copied everything they could from them and so did we French wore usually white coats at the time, as did the Spanish we wore blue the English red and so on. military tricorns were black civilian could be black, light or dark brown no other hats allowed in our army, except the grenadiers tall hats and we wear a yellow ribbon in our hats, 'cause we are austriacists bourbon soldiers wore white ribbons cuffs varied according to the particular regiment ours are red others were orange, yellow or white braids were worn by our cavalry regiment, the Sant Jordi (Saint George) regiment usually red, in the shoulder

The Catalan fight was up before 1716

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Sunday July 16th, 2017 - 2:22 pm

So, I'm slowly putting together an English buccaneer/privateer impression, as would have been seen with Morgan around the time of Panama. I know that is lightly before the scope of this group, but, that said, are there good sources out there for clothing? A "farb-free" on-line shop, or cottage-type business? I've seen plenty of patterns, but, other than mending, sewing isn't a skill I have. ... See MoreSee Less

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You could contact Pirate Fashions out if Tampa.

I can make whatever impression you desire with a picture for reference Www.facebook.com/anastasiarazvandesigns

Anastasia also makes fine authentic military uniforms !

Anastasia Kolodzik

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Tuesday July 4th, 2017 - 1:04 pm

Newest book purchases....one is definitely outside of the GAoP, but has anyone else read either one of these? The Whydah one is mostly illustrations of the items recovered from the wreck site. ... See MoreSee Less

Newest book purchases....one is definitely outside of the GAoP, but has anyone else read either one of these?  The Whydah one is mostly illustrations of the items recovered from the wreck site.

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I have the one on the Whydah. I like it. I saw a good portion of the exhibit when it traveled to the National Geographic Museum in DC.

I have Real Pirates. I thought it was good reference on the Whydah.

Real Pirates, is it worth buying

If you like the information on Bellamy and Whydah, yes. If I am not mistaken, it accompanies the museum's touring exhibit. Which I hope to see!

Patriot Pirates is an excellent book that covers the economics of privateering. It discusses the businessman like ways of the industry and the corporate like structure that made up an enterprise. It of course focuses on the Revolutionary period and the eventual foundation of the Continental Navy. It's been a long while since I read it however I recall there may be some bits in the beginning that cover the GAOP but not much.

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